• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    But just passively accepting the establishment bullshit while not even voicing displeasure

    Check my comment history and tell me if that seems like an apt description of my behavior.

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      1 month ago

      Comrade, I got nothing personal against you or your conduct. I just mean to say we need to encourage complaints and suggestions which may seem unrealistic but which still point us in the right spiritual direction so to speak.

      Then if you can add some actionable refinement or sharpen the complaints to make them better articulated, so much the better.

      On the other hand if you just discourage, even with “good intentions”, you’re blocking the energy.

      The status quo candidates just won’t do.

      We need a candidate with an affirmative, POSITIVE VISION for America. “The status quo is fine, we’ll just do little tweaks around the edges because we don’t wanna upset our billionaire donors” is NOT a positive vision for America. It just WILL NOT DO.

      Simply defeating Trump with just any warm body isn’t good enough.

      Our real task is not to defeat Trump, but to BUILD a positive future for us all. Our task is to foster a world we actually want to live in, as opposed to this craptacular capitalist hellscape.

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        1 month ago

        Simply defeating Trump with just any warm body isn’t good enough.

        Well, the party isn’t willing to do better and I’d be happy if they put up someone who can beat him. That person isn’t Biden. Of course, I would also like it if the party would stop enabling genocide and move to the fucking left for the first time in fifty goddamned years, but I’ll take what I can get.

        A good first step would be for the party to admit they made a mistake. If the party can’t take that first step, they’re never gonna stop interpreting all events as evidence that they need to move to the right.

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          1 month ago

          Begging the party won’t help.

          It’s our job to COERCE the party to do our bidding. The party must know if they displease their voters there are meaningful risks and downsides for them. It’s our duty to engineer those meaningful risks and downsides or else the party has every reason to ignore us.

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            1 month ago

            At the moment, we’re dealing with a party that would rather lose than listen. I want to get them to listen.

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              If you engineer meaningful risks and consequences for the party, they will HAVE to listen to you.

              If you only plan to beg them politely, they could choose to ignore you. Whether or not they listened to you in this case would be completely at the pleasure of the party.

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                  1 month ago

                  Oh yea, which risks and consequences have you engineered for your truant representatives that they continue ignoring you?

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                    Anyone who represents me lower than VP is a Republican. Democrats made sure of that when they pulled the funding of the progressive who was running in my district.

                    At the moment, just getting the party to put forward someone other than Biden is a win. I’m not in a position to engineer shit and neither are you.