• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    6 months ago

    That’s Dialectical Materialism in another name. Dialectical Materialism chiefly states that everything is connected and cannot be taken in a vacuum without looking at its past, trajectory, and relations.

    I ask again, what specifically is wrong with Marxian Dialectical Materialism? Am I under a mistaken assumption on what you are specifically referring to by saying Systems Theory is “superior?”

    Put another way, what does Systems Theory add that is incompatible with Dialectical Materialism?

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      6 months ago

      Put another way, what does Systems Theory add that is incompatible with Dialectical Materialism?

      One example: Marx had the notion that mankind lives in a cruel world which needs to be conquered. Dialectical materialism ignores the natural framework we live in. It doesn’t take ecosystems and climate change into account. That’s a reason why Bookchin expanded on it with what he called “dialectical naturalism”.

      But marxists rarely if ever read Bookchin, in my experience.

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        6 months ago

        How exactly does Dialectical Materialism ignore the natural framework we live in, when the basis of Dialectical Materialism is that everything is connected and constantly changing? Climate Change and Ecosystems are perfect examples of Dialectical Materialism.

        I fail to see your point.

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          6 months ago

          You’re overgeneralizing dialectical materialism.

          Dialectidal implies that there are two opposing forces which contradict each other. That’s a subset of system theory.

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            6 months ago

            I know saying “read theory!” is a terrible way of engaging, but reading Georges Politzer’s Elementary Principles of Philosophy might genuinely help your understanding of Dialectical Materialism, even if you ultimately discard it. Page 93 on is particularly handy in this case, but the whole work is great.

            Essentially, you are correct that dialectics implies contradiction and opposition, but that’s only a subset of the broader framework of Dialectical Materialism. Mainly, you’re ignoring what happens to Materialism when combined with Dialectics. Everything must be seen as connected and transitional, nothing is the same as it was.