• Shit@sh.itjust.worksM
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    1 year ago

    I was talking about this statement you made.

    A lot of these are not exactly clear threats. If you used the same standards I’m sure you could come up with a similar list from the US.

    The article you sent is about the first strike power not even the same subject?

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      1 year ago

      So you haven’t read the list we’re discussing. No wonder this is not a productive discussion.

      Several of the articles listed here are simply Russia reiterating that they will not restrict use of nuclear weapons to retaliatory strikes… just as the US has. This is exactly what I mean when I say that many of these items are not threats in the conventional sense of the word.

      To be clear: I condemn the nuclear weapons policies and programs of both nations. But they are not direct threats to other nations in and of themselves.

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        1 year ago

        Dude I don’t know this is annoying and pretty dumb. The first one on the list I haven’t read has nothing to even do with the USA? Can you share a statement the USA has made in an official capacity like the first one on the list I allegedly haven’t read?

        This is just a bunch of whataboutism and changing the subject. I get you allegedly might not like nuclear weapons but most counties that have them don’t constantly threaten to use them for every perceived aggression.

        Russian retoric has gotten pretty escalatory and I can’t say I’ve seen the same for the USA recently. They have some north Korean energy… So please prove me wrong or just stop. Show me where the USA is threatening the apocalypse with Russia to secure concessions from non nuclear armed states? I’ll even take an official NATO statement saying we are in a hot war with Russia and will need to escalate to using nukes first if that’s easier? To be clear we are taking post ussr.

        Most counties don’t try to hold the world hostage with nuclear blackmail. Please just drop it…

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          I’m sorry if I’m annoying you but factually incorrect posts annoy me. Especially in a time of war when hostilities and emotions are high, it is best to be skeptical and analyze the facts in a level-headed manner.

          The rest of your comment does not seem relevant. Can I provide a source of the US threatening Russia with nukes? No, because I never said they did that. I can provide some links that sycophants would exaggerate into threats (and have already done so elsewhere in this thread), but I don’t think you would find those convincing. Therefore you should not find them convincing when the places are reversed.

          Russian rhetoric has certainly gotten aggressive. This is why it’s so silly to include normal, non-threatening behavior on this list. It’s really not needed for the overall point that Russias nuclear policy is threatening and reckless. That remains true, but this list also remains an exaggeration of that truth.

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            1 year ago

            Yeah I don’t know dude look over your posts your schizo posting… You only provided one source and it was regarding the president having the power to first strike…

            Anyways I’m not going to be the one to ban you but this is dumb you didn’t get any point across.

            Please try to be nice and engage in good faith in the future of you want a discussion not whatever this is.

            Hope you have a better day tomorrow. 🫡

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              I don’t know what I said that was not nice or in good faith so it seems very aggressive to bring up banning but alright, have a good day to you as well.