The Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles announced in a letter that drivers license gender changes are no longer available, and trans people could be charged with fraud.
In what possible scenario could the sex of the driver matter on a drivers license anyway?
You have the answer about halfway the letter:
a driver license is an identification document
It’s a consequence of Americans not wanting a government issued ID, so they’d rather have the DMV issue them one. They will also use their Social Security Number, printed on a piece of paper that expressly states it’s NOT to be used for identification purposes… for identification purposes.
In saner countries, the government issues everyone an official ID card with strong anti-counterfeiting features, then every other document relies on one’s ID card for identification purposes.
Spot on. Just like a lot of other things (taxes being the notable one that I can remember) an unreasonable amount of US people hate it when government does anything useful with their tax money.
Want an ID? Fucking do it yourself, but oh btwz here’s this shitty paper that you can never share or lose or you’re fucked.
Want to know how much tax you should pay taxes? Figure it the fuck out yourself (but then we’ll still do it for you and ruin you if you fuck up)
Want to avoid going to jail? Be fucking telepathic and know how to do it yourself.
It’s a pretty insane thing to tolerate and yet here we are.
Apart from genuine medical reasons to know chromosomal makeup, gender doesn’t matter. Unless a bigot is looking.
What does matter is that the US has an arcane, idiotic method of doling out IDs to it’s citizens. It is fundamentally incompetent.
A federal ID or at least a unified standard state ID that is issued at birth or immediately upon immigration for no cost would reduce inequity and prevent people from being barred service due to ludicrous reasons such as “not having valid ID”
And I’ll be blunt and say that while I respect an individual may not want one, the fact is that you already have one (either SS# or an equivalent) and are a know quantity with or without your consent. A fair federal or unified state standard would take bigoted tomfuckery out of the question and make things clear to individuals.
Just commenting because you were really specific there with the chromosomes. The ID wouldn’t help with that. Doctors mostly look at the baby and decide the sex without genetic testing. Mistakes in this case are only found out if something medical happens and they need to check.
Yes that is fair and I agree. The current method of determining assigned chromosomal sex at birth is inadequate. Edit - I forgot, it also doesn’t account for rare cases such as XXY (kleinfelters). Personally I think strictly for medical reasons ASAB/chromosomal should be determined accurately and then essentially not used. Gender identify further does not play any meaningful role at all and is not needed on an ID. It is just a way to discriminate as far as I can tell. Sadly we are quite a ways from that reality.
You’ve clearly never been pulled over in Florida. We are required to expose our genitals and they better match what’s on our identification or its straight to jail.
In what possible scenario could the sex of the driver matter on a drivers license anyway? Do the driving rules suddenly change based on gender?
These guys are clearly dealing with all the important problems
You have the answer about halfway the letter:
It’s a consequence of Americans not wanting a government issued ID, so they’d rather have the DMV issue them one. They will also use their Social Security Number, printed on a piece of paper that expressly states it’s NOT to be used for identification purposes… for identification purposes.
In saner countries, the government issues everyone an official ID card with strong anti-counterfeiting features, then every other document relies on one’s ID card for identification purposes.
Spot on. Just like a lot of other things (taxes being the notable one that I can remember) an unreasonable amount of US people hate it when government does anything useful with their tax money.
Want an ID? Fucking do it yourself, but oh btwz here’s this shitty paper that you can never share or lose or you’re fucked.
Want to know how much tax you should pay taxes? Figure it the fuck out yourself (but then we’ll still do it for you and ruin you if you fuck up)
Want to avoid going to jail? Be fucking telepathic and know how to do it yourself.
It’s a pretty insane thing to tolerate and yet here we are.
I mean, why would the gender matter anyway?
We use drivers license here for a lot of things for id too.
I wouldn’t want a national Identity card tbh
Apart from genuine medical reasons to know chromosomal makeup, gender doesn’t matter. Unless a bigot is looking.
What does matter is that the US has an arcane, idiotic method of doling out IDs to it’s citizens. It is fundamentally incompetent.
A federal ID or at least a unified standard state ID that is issued at birth or immediately upon immigration for no cost would reduce inequity and prevent people from being barred service due to ludicrous reasons such as “not having valid ID”
And I’ll be blunt and say that while I respect an individual may not want one, the fact is that you already have one (either SS# or an equivalent) and are a know quantity with or without your consent. A fair federal or unified state standard would take bigoted tomfuckery out of the question and make things clear to individuals.
Just commenting because you were really specific there with the chromosomes. The ID wouldn’t help with that. Doctors mostly look at the baby and decide the sex without genetic testing. Mistakes in this case are only found out if something medical happens and they need to check.
Yes that is fair and I agree. The current method of determining
assignedchromosomal sex at birth is inadequate. Edit - I forgot, it also doesn’t account for rare cases such as XXY (kleinfelters). Personally I think strictly for medical reasons ASAB/chromosomal should be determined accurately and then essentially not used. Gender identify further does not play any meaningful role at all and is not needed on an ID. It is just a way to discriminate as far as I can tell. Sadly we are quite a ways from that reality.deleted by creator
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You’ve clearly never been pulled over in Florida. We are required to expose our genitals and they better match what’s on our identification or its straight to jail.