The ideological leaning of the developers means nothing on a federated network. What you care about is knowing the ideology of who runs your instance.
You can just as easily fall into a right wing echo chamber by joining the wrong instance. And one that censors any kind of pro Russia or pro China sentiment, which is equally bad, in my opinion.
Propaganda can come from both sides. Just keep your eyes open.
Better a tanky than a pig
I dunno, all boots taste of leather.
A pig painted red is still a pig.
That’s why I’m on Lemmy.World. I made a new account as soon as I found out they were removing posts from people for orientalism. It’s great the modlog is so transparent. The greatest thing about having instances run by different people unassociated with each other is you can just do that… go to a different instance where things are much more aligned to you morally.
You have less to worry about here than you do on a place like say Reddit where they can do it pretty discretely and you’d be none the wiser until it happened to you.
Looking at lemmy.world/instances, it explicitly federates with lemmygrad.ml
Kinda worrying to me that the two biggest instances link to the biggest tankie instances.
You can block subs yourself, right?
I see lemmy.world as the most unrestricted and neutral instance now.
This place federates with a bunch of Nazi instances and something called ”posting lolicon rocks”, strange how you weren’t bothered by that 🤔
It’s interesting how the tankies and the neocons always immediately run screaming to calling everyone who disagrees with them a pedophile. It’s almost like y’all have a lot in common.
It’s interesting how the libs are in hysterics over t-t-t-tankies, but are totally fine with anime child porn and Nazis.
Please post proof of nazi’s. I see no Nazi’s here
I didn’t say there were Nazis here. Some of the instances this place federates with are Nazi instances, such as freespeechextremist (a Mastodon instance), where the first thing I saw was someone using the N and K words. I also didn’t mean to say that the person I initially responded to is a pedophile, but I did mean to say that they have screwed up priorities if they’d rather whine about “tankies” while not even mentioning an instance that has “lolicon” in the name.
Everything’s federated after any user tries looking at something there, and only gets defederated after the admin adds it to a block list. If the admin’s not aware of the noncery, they won’t have defederated it yet. If it’s not defederated relatively quickly, I imagine most people here will switch to an instance that gets rid of things like that more quickly.
As for why it’s not been noticed but the tankies have, it’ll be because it’s really easy to accidentally run into lemmygrad.ml posts, as they’re getting upvoted and commented on faster.
Where did you hear this from? That’s pretty dumb, honestly, if it’s true.
@Kasrean From my experience it’s more like a soft censoring. But yea, censoring does exist. I’ve interacted with Lemmy (specially lemmy.ml initially, since it was the largest instance containing all the communities I needed) even before the Reddit exodus. Back then there were only a handful of people creating content and the narrative they were spinning was something along the line of Look how bad the West is! Now look at how great China is!. Not to mention, the same people are against supporting Ukraine.
The problem was that it was really easy to make anti-russian or anti-china (edit: or to be, somehow racist against these, only by criticizing their governments, although not the same was applied to the anti-US posts - it was totally okay to be anti-America) posts or comments (in mods’ views) and you were usually banned for it. Nowadays, tho, the situation is changing, and they get a small dose of their own medicine, lol (but you can still see the comments of these guys, many of them downvoted tho).
To me, this is like Richard Stallman and certain reprehensible actions and opinions.
Just like with Stallman and his contributions to software, I can justify using Lemmy to myself due to it being open source and the devs not directly financially profiting from the spread of Lemmy (although it certainly raises their public profile).
It’s definitely unfortunate that they’re Tankies.
I joined via lemmy.world because at the time the stats just looked favorable, with the limited knowledge I had (uptime mostly).
As someone with experience in software engineering you learn to differentiate between the product and the dev.
It’s especially easy with Lemmy, because every instance has its own vibe it seems. Would I join lemmygrad or how that instance is called? Probably not, but because it’s the users who in the end define the direction of an instance I see no problem.
Freedom of speech is important and if all those tanky instances are about is their agenda, they will end up in an echo chamber sooner or later, as more regular people migrate and simply drown them out.
Thought I’m on NCD for a moment here lol
Well, lemmygrad for sure is run by tankies, that’s kinda the point. Most of it doesn’t matter. It’s not like they can control anything that happens on other instances.
I just won’t post on the tankie instances like I didn’t post on the tankie subreddits. And if the instance I’m on starts censoring like that, I’ll make an account on a different one.
Am I the only one that chose an instance based on defederation with lemmygard? I had a lemmy.ml account and it got annoying quite quickly
I’m on an instance that doesn’t. It’s annoying, but the main issue is in the All feed since I don’t exactly subscribe to lemmygrad communities ;p.
I’ve had fairly decent luck just blocking any communities that show up from there. I can’t wait until I can granularly block all communities from an instance, tbh ^.^
Idk I also remember a lot of trolls from there at unrelated posts. But it was like a year ago or so, and from here I see nothing.
I’m wondering, when my instance that unfederated lemmygard pulls a subLem (community) from an instance that’s federated with them, lets say /c/memes@lemmy.ml, does it filter out people from lemmygard when it caches said subLem? That’ll explain why I never see anyone from there anymore.
I think you will see old comments but not any new ones… maybe…
Do you have any proof of that? Just curious where you got that from (:
There was some discussion just before the Reddit influx, actually: https://lemmy.ml/post/1167199
Edit: Also read through the history of Lemmy for some info on the motivations.
I have no problem with the admins of their instance running it however they want, and they made a really cool project and I appreciate that for the most part they do not have a problem with people who disagree with them. I think people should think twice before re-creating all of their favorite reddit subs on that instance though.
No proof, I just heard about it. A buddy and someone on reddit told me about “tankies on lemmy” which I dismissed as drama at first, then I heard it’s actually the main devs too, then I did a quick google search and search on lemmy here, it seems universally agreed upon at least in those threads from what I can see.
Unironically using the word “tankie” in a derogatory way gives off major lib vibes btw. And you know what happens if you scratch one of those.
that’s pretty aggressive. noone is forcing you to identify with the bad parts of socialism.
I know the lemmygrad.ml instance claims to be Marxist but I don’t think they’re generally taken that seriously (and not to be confused with lemmy.ml) - is that what you’re confusing? Apart from that, the federal nature of Lemmy means it doesn’t really matter what the creator’s political beliefs are.
Nah. I think the “.ml” means Marxist Leninist to them. At least that’s what one of the tanky types I chatted to on lemmy.ml said.
Who cares? We’re not on lemmy.ml, are we?
Careful the steps you take from those kinds of thoughts, here. Lemmy is best when it is unified. A split down the middle, even worse, three ways could have drastic consequences for the sort of community, or even segmented communities that Lemmy could become if it schisms.
Lemmy could be a center-left haven for rational thought, or in three years it could be an extremely leftist community fighting an extremely right-wing community fighting a group that wants nothing to do with either, all cut off from eachother with non-political subs and the overall community suffering as a result.
Are you saying that everyone should have the same political opinions? I don’t think so.
Each individual has the right to have their own opinions, and they have the right to express them, no matter how we might like them or not.
Blocking features exist for that reason, if something is too much for you to bear, block it and move on.
Lemmy is best when it is unified
Like reddit?
Lemmy will have a responsibility to thousands of users, only Lemmy is a federation. People here will come to agreements on various topics and political issues and it won’t take long before the community is split on one.
Who calls the shots when everyone has equal say? That’s when groups and hate start.
I’m not saying everyone needs to agree politically. It’s that on a long enough timeline, you’ll either be here in agreement or disdain over the political climate chosen by Lemmy together.
There’s no such thing as “Lemmy together”, Lemmy servers are individual instances of “Lemmy software” created and managed by different individuals that are totally independent from each other.
It’s like individual subreddits, managed by different mods, each one with it’s own rules and beliefs.
Weren’t some subreddits split and hated each other? YES
Did that make reddit not valuable as a platform? NO because there were still many subs with amazing people and quality content.
When you have millions of people, divisions are inevitable, it will surely happen here if Lemmy gets enough traction, but I don’t see it as a problem, reddit was fine regardless of it, Lemmy will be fine as well.
“Who calls the shots when everyone has equal say?” this is pretty much one of the core design goals of federated services. You get say in your server. People will federate or defederate naturally between servers, that’s… The point.
I’m not sure you’ve illustrated that it’s actually a bad thing for Lemmy to fragment naturally. That’s almost a certainty due to the nature of it. If Nazis started a server, which I have no doubt that they will, it will almost instantly be fragmented off, for example.
Lemmy isn’t inherently better with bigger user counts, part of the core idea is actually to have numerous smaller communities. The internet was plenty healthy before everyone all used the same platforms.
