hey folks, here’s a quick update on our decision to defederate from
sh.itjust.works! (and here’s sh.itjust.works
[https://sh.itjust.works/post/129725]’s side of this update) we got in touch
with the head admin over there, The Dude, and we had a pretty good chat about
our concerns and reason for defederating. while immediate re-federation is just
bluntly off the table with the rudimentary state of Lemmy’s moderation tools, we
now have a pretty good idea of the roadmap to refederating with them. we think
we’ll eventually be able to do this, although we don’t have a timetable on when
yet. we’re also now collaborating with him on how to move forward–and in the
weeks and months to come we’ll be pushing to expedite the process of developing
some of the necessary tools. this decision has really helped us make connections
that can hopefully realize those tools both on the desktop side and in apps
being developed for Lemmy. we’re also hoping to collaborate with other Lemmy
administrators who have needs like our own, or just generally want more granular
tools at their disposal. we did also get in touch with the lemmy.world owner
prior to defederating to share the concerns that prompted us to
defederate[^1]–but we have not received any communication from him since it was
levied, so there’s no roadmap at all there as of now. we’re always open to
reconsidering and collaborating to end the defederation with him, but for now
the earliest i can give you is “when mod tools are in a better state”. that’s
all for now folks. if any new significant developments take place we’ll announce
them as needed. [^1]: we’re only bringing this up now because it was just not
useful information in the context of our announcement. it almost certainly would
have been interpreted as some sort of callousness and/or brought unnecessary
sectarianism and grief to him. at the end of the day he has his reasons and
desires for running lemmy.world how he does, and we have ours for running Beehaw
as we do. because of social and technological circumstances those are just
incompatible right now, and that’s fine.
(Posting to lemmy.world seems to be disabled so I’m posting this here instead.)
This inconsistency has been bothering me, so I went poking around in their support community, and the best I could find was a statement saying they had reached out to the admins of both. Apparently they expected @ruud@lemmy.world to reply to something that didn’t seem like a question as indicated by his response in Beehaw Support. As such, they claim to have no roadmap to eventually refederate with lemmy.world.
I added a reply from another instance, but I’m guessing I won’t receive a reponse so if anyone knows, I would like to better understand the issue. It’s quite annoying feeling like I’m missing out, especially when I’m seeing inflammatory overly generalized statements from kbin.social users about how lemmy.world deserved to be defederated over in this post on lemmy.ml.
Not sure about the situation with Lemmy.ml other than they’ve been linked longer than any of the newer instances (so maybe have a better sense for how the admins/mods there are willing to handle things, but with Kbin.social it wasn’t being federated for awhile as they worked on just getting the instance more fully online (a testament to how new-ish its software is, I think).
So I think they simply had more experience and trust that Lemmy.ml would handle things on their end, and Kbin.social simply wasn’t being federated just yet when they made their decision.
Tbh I’d say give it some time; if they see a similar spike in undesired posters/comments from there, they’ll probably defederate from them. I can only speculate that so far they just haven’t yet.
They may also be reevaluating their approach, but not being on their team, I don’t have any special insights, only some informed guesses/speculation.
Not sure about the situation with Lemmy.ml other than they’ve been linked longer than any of the newer instances (so maybe have a better sense for how the admins/mods there are willing to handle things, but with Kbin.social it wasn’t being federated for awhile as they worked on just getting the instance more fully online (a testament to how new-ish its software is, I think).
So I think they simply had more experience and trust that Lemmy.ml would handle things on their end, and Kbin.social simply wasn’t being federated just yet when they made their decision.
So why isn’t kbin.social defederated now? They are federated, open, and growing. The only sin that lemmy.world had was it was reliable.
Tbh I’d say give it some time; if they see a similar spike in undesired posters/comments from there, they’ll probably defederate from them. I can only speculate that so far they just haven’t yet.
They may also be reevaluating their approach, but not being on their team, I don’t have any special insights, only some informed guesses/speculation.