• Varyk@sh.itjust.works
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    11 months ago

    Liberals don’t want to contribute to the wars, they’re against both the Russian invasion and the IDF atrocities, as well as the hamas atrocities.

    The difference between Israel and Russia is that Israel is responding to a terrorist attack in a horrific way with 70 years of animosity and attacks behind their retaliation, while Russia is breaking treaties and trying to invade and steal a country that they have already stolen part of back in 2014.

    While liberals are calling out for Israel to pull back and stop the atrocities, they’re content at watching Ukraine kick Russia’s ass for the illegal russian invasion and attempted second annexation of Ukrainian territory.

    These are not the same situations at all.

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      11 months ago

      That’s just the same thing in more paragraphs. Unless you want to stop the contribution of money and weapons to Ukraine you are in support of the war. Nowhere did I say that’s a bad thing by the way, I just like things to be accurate and I’ve been watching the meaning of “anti war” turn into a meaningless label that people feel like they need to put on themselves to be a good person.

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        11 months ago

        If you like accuracy, you must be furious at yourself.

        You’re being deliberately vague, disingenuous and narrow-minded.

        You’re arguing for any country that is illegally invaded by a superior military force to just give up their country.

        Placation is not the way to stop wars, promoting illegal invasion and annexation actively causes more wars. So does not doing anything.

        Russia already illegally invaded and stole territory in 2014 and is now doing it again because nobody stopped them.

        You’re arguing that we should just let any country invade and steal territory.

        You are wrong fundamentally and on the specifics.

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          11 months ago

          If you support a war then you support a war and it sounds like you do support the Ukraine war. Do you want your country to give money, weapons, and people (aka support) to Ukraine or do you not?

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            11 months ago

            You appear to have a very over-simplified view here. Supporting a country that is being invaded is not the same as supporting the war itself. Supporting a war specifically implies someone supports the aggressing country and their goals. Supporting Ukraine does not mean someone also supports Russia invading Ukraine.

            Acting like anyone who thinks countries should be allowed to defend themselves from invaders is pro-war is a truly terrible take.

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            11 months ago

            Your flawed argument is that the soldiers fighting Nazis were pro-war. No, they were anti illegal genocide, invasion and annexation.

            On the separate narrow note you’re trying to equivocate with false narratives only you are putting forth, I personally want Ukraine to receive as much support as possible, because it’s radically weakening a violent hostile country that has already proven it is hell bent on stealing territory.

            Proving to the world that Russia is not a threat militarily and removing any further capacity for violent Russian hostility for decades has been a great investment.

            Try again