My post was too long so I had to post here: https://pastes.io/07p5nd9dxc
Edit: first correction to the paste, our trans community is represented far above the general population. Around 11% of our community is trans, while in the world only 1% of people are. I also only gave absolute numbers for some reason in the paste so here’s the percentage points: 10% trans women, 1% trans men, 7.7% nonbinary.
29% trans 🎉 and i forgot to reply lol my bad
I completely missed this, would’ve bumped up the LGBTQ categories a bit more
Add me to the transwoman count. Thems rookie numbers!
Me too! Also non-white.
I missed it too. The queer population is growing. 💪
we call this running on queer time. we are actually 99% queer but we all were striving to be fashionably late
I’m non-binary so count me in too smdh
Hey, just wanted to recommend this tool for a Pastebin replacement, it is being developed by a Lemmy user, @lcomrade@lemmy.ml and their instance can be found here and the source code here, it seems like a better alternative to what you’ve used and judging by the domain and name of the user, it seems they are a comrade of ours, so it’s nice to support them.
Nice, putting it in my bookmarks.
Just wondering, in future surveys, will there also be options for handedness? (Left-handed, Right-handed, Cross-Dominant, Ambidextrous, or Other/None of The Above)
As a left-handed individual, I am curious if other comrades are also left-handed.
We could add it, but you would likely see a normal distribution of around 10% of the community, as in the wider population.
Holy poopy we’re 48% non-heterosexual?! That was unexpected, it’s so good to see that our LGBTQ comrades feel so welcome here. 🥰
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Them’s rookie numbers, gotta pump 'em up
and 2 of our users practice Umbanda
Woooot??? Hahahahaha, that’s quite a surprise for me. Where are you, fellow macumbeiro? Show us your Axé!
BTW, I created a community for socialists who practice religions of Axé (Latin-American religions of African origin). The name is “Socialismo e Axé” (Socialism and Àṣẹ – a Yoruba word that represents the concept of divine energy/power). I originally made it in Portuguese because I think most people joining will be Brazilians, but feel free to join whatever language you speak. We can adapt.
For those curious, the symbol are two axes which symbolize Xangô or Ṣàngó, the artificer, inventor of metallurgy and Orisha of Justice (which I take to be the one who would be a patron of fight for the rights of the working classes), together with the mandatory hammer and sickle. Axé for you all.
Unfeaturing this post but you can still look at the paste, don’t hesitate to remind new comrades about the results too
On the class question (Which class are you a part of currently?), most of us predictably answered proletariat: a whopping 61%. The second most represented class is the labour aristocracy, again predictable considering most of us live in the imperial core (22.84%).
Interestingly enough, I am from Latin America, but from a labor aristocratic background. When I visted a friend in Europe, I noticed I had far better living standards than them
I have been thinking about this a lot, for many US-ians and Europeans who know Spanish or Portuguese and work from home, they could easily live comfortable lives in many Latin American countries. Even have public healthcare. I think it is a neat idea for any Imperial Core comrades who work in tech and want to have more time for communism.
You are not labor aristocratic and I wouldn’t trust the “living standards” too much; people have a weird conception of poverty and “middle strata” and how they actually live.
Yes, comrade, I am. I am the son of two doctors, a profession which is highly valued here in Brazil. My family earns enough not to go through economic grievances, so much so my mother is able to sustain a company just through her salary alone (which is a major drain in the family’s finances btw). So you could consider myself from a petty-bourgeois/labor aristocratic background, but more precisely labor aristocratic, since the family’s income does not come from the company, but from the wages they receive as doctors.
I… doubt that that comes as labor aristocrats.
Labor aristocrats are people that relish and are fine with the way things are and balk at revolution and fight for the bourgeoisie at every opportunity.
It doesn’t mean petit-bourgeois, for example. And you aren’t a labor aristocrat, I can tell.
are people that relish and are fine with the way things are and balk at revolution and fight for the bourgeoisie at every opportunity
Just because I come from a certain class, I am not obliged to defend the interests of my class background. There are some proletarians who also unconsciously defend the interests of the bourgeoisie because knowledge is not accessible, but this does not make them labor aristocrats nor anything close.
A labor aristocrat, and I don’t know if I got the close Leninian meaning of it, is simply well-off paid members of the working class, either because there’s great demand for their skills and few people doing it or a combination of both, or even through artificially inflated wages for certain functions. I think Lenin spoke of labor aristocracy in the context of imperialist war, but I think the category could very well apply to the internal composition of the working class, as well as the international division of labor. A British proletarian very well earns much more than a Brazilian proletarian, though with the European austerity measures and Russian sanctions this gap is becoming closer lol
There are obviously functions in bourgeois society which tends to be well paid: military generals, judges, police chiefs, senators, managerial and executive offices, etc. I don’t know if these could be considered labor aristocrats as well, but they do work, but of course they work in the interests of the bourgeoisie, they have meetings with bourgeois representatives, receive gifts, dinners, and all kinds of bribery to serve the interests of capital.
But apart from these, there are certain well paid members of the working class, who enjoy high salaries because of the demand for certain functions, such as (in some countries) doctors, lawyers, engineers, academic professors, etc. These are what could be considered labor aristocrats, because they very clearly tend to support the status quo and in many instances are even reactionary, with the possible exception of lawyers and academic professors, for different reasons. But, for instance, my two (doctor) parents are staunch supporters of the fascist Bolsonaro. This is very common among doctors in Brazil.
They also have an inclination of becoming petty-bourgeois through their small enterprises because they are able to concentrate a little bit of wealth. A small minority of those petty-bourgeois can become bourgeois themselves. For instance, I have a distant family member who is a bourgeois, and came from a labor aristocratic condition. He was an engineer working for Banco do Nordeste, and later accumulated capital and set up a construction business with his partner and some rich associates he got acquainted with through his work at bank.
A labor aristocrat is someone that has been successfuly played and paid off and they are not a class, as far as I’m concerned; they’re generally the thin layer of workers around the top, though not necessarily petit-bourgeous.
Look, you know yourself and your background more than I do, of course, so I won’t discuss this more, but if you are a communist and fight against capitalism and so on then I don’t think you really count as a “labor aristocrat” and I’m not sure if your background is really “labor aristocratic” but that’s just me.
I never said a labor aristocrat was a class in of it itself. You measure labor aristocracy in terms of how much someone is in favor of capitalism, a subjective measure, and I measure labor aristocracy in terms of how economically distant someone is from an average working person, a more objective measure.
It’s kind of the only measure that you can use, otherwise we’re just talking about different strata entirely.
we should probably do this either quarterly, or twice a year. people seem to enjoy knowing the demographics. Also, we need to find a survey service that isn’t shit.
My demographics post from a few years ago was hosted on strawpoll, and that site definitely shouldn’t be used. Though, perhaps the next time around that we do a demographics survey, we should include a write-in for ideology. If I remember the results, a large portion of Lemmygrad users back then were ML.
I’m using framaforms next time, it’s open source (although framaforms is the version hosted by the provider, open source != privacy) and allows up to 1000 survey responses, which hopefully we won’t get to yet.
Down the line we might look at hosting yakforms (the self-hosted framaforms) on ProleWiki as it’s interesting to us to host surveys once in a while, and there there are no limits to the responses or anything. Only downside is the question types are severely limited, you have most of the basic ones but no interesting more specific formats.
I am really into the whole surveying/statistics field. Is there anywhere dedicated to helping out with that for the future ones? Specially since after the 30th we’ll have a whole new influx of redditors.
I’ll keep you in mind for the next survey!
most of us are white (and live in Anglo America and West Europe)
This is disappointing comrades.
Do better.
I’m not white. Don’t look at me.
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Awful lotta honkkkie crakkkers here… y’all should really work on fixing that.
(I didn’t take your comment personally, I just felt like responding, no hostility or antagonism meant nor recieved) The only way I could “do better” on that front is by moving out of here, and as tempting as that is, I have work to do to help those most in need here because our wealthy state refuses to.
Yup my original comment should be taken in jest.
Just do what you can.
I have hope in my Western comrades.
Let’s goooo!!!
Finished reading through it, the results make sense, considering this is an english speaking community on a platform that still appeals to tech people mostly
Yeah, the culture here is very, err, tech-y.
One thing I didn’t note in the OP: this survey didn’t take activity into account. It’s possible that the people you interact most in a day on Lemmygrad do not fit in the majorities but the minorities, and the majority of users (white, cis men, etc) are lurkers.
Could add a question in the future survey about activity to see if this rings true.
The problem is the respondents themselves might not even know the answer to the question. What should we ask specifically? How much time do you spend on lemmygrad, how many comments you posted over the last 7 days?
“Do you post or do you want the liberals to win?”
Wait, there’s another old person here???
Xi himself browses these forums, didn’t you know?
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64 or aboveActually that’s wrong too, the question is specifically above 64, so at least 65.
Ok Noam we know it’s you, what’s your username? 👀
You rang?
It has since been brought to my attention that there are other old people here besides me and the one that did the survey lol
