Reading an image, page refreshes, lose image. I wish I could turn off the auto-refresh or reduce the interval.
If you go to the next page, it stops doing that. Also doesn’t do it on the Jerboa app.
Yes, this is so annoying!
They’re working on removing this. When you read about the dev “stripping out websockets” that’s part of what’s changing.
Where did you see this? GitHub?
Yes I forget exactly where but it was on GitHub
oh damn, I hope it uses the browser cache to speed up image reloading
I just joined .world because it sounded the most logical
“Oh it says world, that probably means i can see things all over the world”
I’m not disappointed
World here too on the Jerboa app, I’m subscribed to a BUNCH of communities in other instances and can browse and comment on them all with my world profile. Still kinda confused how it all works but I’m liking it so far
I have yet to figure out how to discover communities on other servers on jerboa. I currently just subscribe to communities on the browser which I then can see in the app.
Home screen, menu at upper left, click “All”. I also recommend changing the filter option to “Hot”, which is one of the buttons on the top right.
I’m loving it honestly. I’ve gotten myself into a complete fankle with I think five different logins, but it’s great. I’ve made a couple of posts even. Having always been a lurker, I now feel more like a participant rather than a consumer. I don’t want a monolith, I like the neighborhood feel, having to figure things out, knit up the threads myself.
You don’t need multiple accounts, one account can access all different instances, including subscribing to remote communities. You just have to click “All” in the communities or post list to see them, instead of “Local”.
Except for beehaw.org defederating from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works, and I think some defederated from lemmygrad.ml.
Also it should be said that edited comments don’t seem to pass across the instances. I think they only sync when the comment has been made.
You don’t need multiple accounts, one account can access all different instances
You need a kbin account to find out if you find kbin better than lemmy.
Did beehaw.org defederate from lemmy.world ? I’m on Lemmy world and see posts from beehaw. Is there a way to check who is federated with who like some kind of map?
If I’m not mistaken, you can see the posts and can even comment, but only people on lemmy.world will see your comment. People from beehaw and other instances won’t see it. That’s because lemmy.world haven’t defederated from beehaw.
More info here: https://kbin.social/m/lemmyworld@lemmy.world/t/24341/How-the-beehaw-defederation-affects-us
You can see which instances are blocked here: https://beehaw.org/instances. It’s in the bottom of the page of every instance home page or just add ‘/instance’ after the instance’s address.
That’s actually a really clever approach
I’m new to this. I have one question. Imagine the following setup:
- Instance A federates with instances B and C
- Instance B only federates with instance C
- Instance C federates with instance A and B
Following scenario:
- Someone on instance B posts something and writes a comment to the post
- I’m on instance A and I comment on his comment
- Now someone from instance C comments on my comment
What does a person from instance B see now? I assume he won’t see my comment as instance B defederated instance A. But he should see the comment from the instance C guy. But how can he see the reply when the original comment is not visible?
Good question!
I think if you do that the little red light would stop blinking and you’d break the internet.
Select “all” rather than “local” and you’ll see content from all federated instances.
Thanks, SpaceNoodle <3
I selected it by default in my settings, but it keeps going back to “Local”
Yeah I think this is a bug in the web code but a fix has already been made for the next release.
kbin is working much better than lemmy on that front.
Can you see Lemmy on kbin?
Yep, hello from Kbin! It’s all federated together and in the same format. Kbin was designed to be directly compatible with Lemmy.
I agree that kbin is less buggy. However there’s something in the user interface that confuses me a little, mostly with the way pictures are placed in the feeds.
But it’s more polished and theres a great “feel” to it. Can’t wait to see where it goes.
Yeah you can definitely tell kbin was made by more of a design guy.
Yeah I just remember to check every time…I’m sure that’s one of those things that is just a little jenky that will improve with time!
Go into your profile settings, you can select what it defaults to and in the case of the Jerboa it defaults both desktop and the app.
I recommend default sort to NewComments.
Keep in mind Beehaw defederated us so no communications between them and lemmyworld
Why did Beehaw defederate?
Edit: Nevermind, found it: https://beehaw.org/post/567170
I need a damn explain it to me like I’m five for how all this works. My brain can wrapped it up into neighborhoods or space fleets but the in an out communications are the part I’m missing.
The Fediverse is like a group of interconnected neighborhoods, each representing a different social platform or community. Just as you might have neighbors on your street who interact and share things over time, these communities can communicate and exchange ideas. These neighborhoods may differ in size or focus, but they all exist within a larger universe - just like planets orbiting around a sun. In this case, think of our star system as something like Friendica (the first step towards the modern fediverse) and Diaspora* (itself originally based on Friendica). And just as there might be traffic or communication issues between planetary systems, there could be friction between distinct Fediverse networks. But ultimately, we’re still talking about a united whole here! Finally, imagine spaceships zipping back and forth through space linking up these distinct points of interest - say hello to the protocols bridging connections between decentralized nodes known as “federation” today. It’s all connected!
It’s the defederation I’m still confused. That ship (Beehaw) left the fleet and locked down it’s ship. What are the communication rules?
It’s up to the individual server who they federate with.
If you want a gated community, or you want to cut ties with an instance that is full of spam or unwanted content, that’s still possible.
In the swarm of starships, you aren’t obligated to dock with everyone.
I’m just sticking to lemmy.world for now. It doesn’t have all the communities I want yet but it seems more open than the others. I don’t like walled gardens or gated communities. If I wanted a platform with power hungry, elitist moderators creating circle jerk in-groups, I would have stayed on Reddit.
You know you can connect to any community on another server regardless of your instance right?
Not necessarily. As someone else pointed out in this thread, beehaw is currently set up so that Lemmy.world users can view and comment on posts on beehaw communities, but those comments can only be seen by other lemmy.world users. Individual instances can restrict what users from other instances can do.
5 Accounts are still unnecessary. And it sounded like he created an account on every server that contained an interesting community for him
5 Accounts are still unnecessary.
That’s true.
Same. I joined .world randomly because I didn’t understand Lemmy when I joined, but I made the right decision!
Same with me and I’m ultimately super happy with my Lemmy experience so far. I’ve been on since the 11th and the experience gets better every day.
This will die down eventually: at the moment there are many different independent ideas of how to build federated reddit alternatives that have yet to really be tested for how the underlying systems and moderation tools scale. In due time there’s going to be a standard application or at least standard exchange format between the different services, that just doesn’t happen right now since all methods are really new and now get “suprise load tested”.
That’s also why you experience outages and Beehaw explicitly asking people not to join: everything went from “fringe techdemo” to “the internet is moving off of reddit” in a matter of less than a week (same thing is true with app support) and everything is at its breaking point: from the underlying technology to new communities appearing in a matter of hours to days (usually with less experienced moderators).
Who said you need an account on each one?
Something something multiple instances (if you register with Beehaw, you can’t access threads to Lemmy/lemmy.ml)…
just means screw beehaw, everything else seems accessible no point in catering to a single instance
Just create an account on an instamce that federates both lemmy.world and beehaw, like the one I’m currently on.
Also lemmy.fmhy.ml
Doesn’t bother me.
You can follow any lemmy or kbin community from one account on any instance
Except comms from beehaw if you’re on .world; leave those and join another similar comm if you are.
Why doesn’t it work between beehaw and lemmy world?
Beehaw recently defederated lemmy.world out of concern for not being able to moderate such a huge user base with current mod tools. Learn more here
Tldr: beehaw comms are gonna be dead soon when viewed through lemmy.world
Way to kill a good thing… Back to reddit I guess.
Why instantly back to reddit? There are many more alternatives.
People these days be like: 1 sign of trouble: give up
I guess it was a joke (of questionable humor/quality)
Because it’s a systematic problem. It’s not something that can be fixed somehow by better tech or something. So at best we will eventually get one central instance of Lemmy… which is essentially a worse version of Reddit with only Communists and Techy people.
Please go back to reddit.
Because it’s a systematic problem. It’s not something that can be fixed somehow by better tech or something. So at best we will eventually get one central instance of Lemmy… which is essentially a worse version of Reddit with only Communists and Techy people.
Beehaw admins literally said that they only defederated because existing mod tools weren’t fine-grained enough to address the issue otherwise. Mastodon already has those tools, and in fact went through a similar temporary defederation issue.
So, yes, it can definitely be solved by better tech, and already has… just not on lemmy.
Oi, I’m moderate af and am only techy to people who don’t know the difference between a laptop and… the larger one!
I do like a community that values a free, open and decentralised Internet, Reddit used to, but seems to have lost that.
I’m liking the UI, experience on mobile could be a bit better though
Couldn’t agree more! I tried out mastodon and both versions, web and mobile, are friendlier than Lemmy. But I couldn’t get behind the twitter thing. Never liked the twitter format and wasn’t really getting through. Lemmy has a better format for me, but a bit clunkier. Sure it will get better soon
Beehaw told me not to join unless I could say specific groups I wanted to join. Nah from me.
i was confused for a little while too, created a few accounts and was floundering. the setup will be different for everyone but currently i have a tab open with mastodon and i’m following a few seperate instances there. then i have lemmy.world also open and i have stuff from different lemmy instances and kbin coming in to my feed.
I came up with what I think is a pretty good explanation when trying to explain the beehaw fiasco to a friend last night, here it is copy pastad
Think of it like cell service
You have TMobile, I have Google fi
But we can still talk because they both use 4g
But then Google fi blocked TMobile so I can’t talk to you anymore
And if I want to be able to talk to people on TMobile and Google fi I would have to transfer my service to att
But also, the service is free to setup and run on your own
So instead of 3 or 4 big cell carriers there are thousands
Also, some added info: Also, with the fediverse, when you transfer service you can take your data with you Just like you can take your text messages and phone number with you Fediverse meaning all the apps that work this way, like mastodon and
Lemmy(at least thosetwoone have data transfers I think)Edit: can’t transfer account
You can’t move your account to another instance atm if that’s what you mean.
So how do we know we’re choosing a good instance?
I think we don’t for now. I think we just have to accept we might have to change instances once in a while, especially while things settle.
Oh. Thanks for clearing that up for me
Well beehaw defederated Lemmy.world so you won’t see that stuff. Well they won’t see yours anyways so you won’t get to interact with them.
It’s an interesting situation, defederating.
Defederated instances can see the instance that cut them off and can comment, but they (beehaw in this case) won’t see their comments. However, if they refederate later when better mod tools exist, all the comments will (be able to) flood in, right?
If so, they’ll need to be able to handle it in some way that enables them to maintain compatibility with their instance ethos.
I honestly think we should just ditch beehaw at this point, this move will just make things way more complicated and probably keep many people from bothering to learn how it all works. You shouldn’t have to visit 3-4 different sites to see the most popular lemmy content
I agree, they don’t deserve to be one of the popular instances. They gathered a large userbase and just isolated it. If they wanted to be some special safe space, they should’ve specified that in the beginning instead of overcomplicating everything the way they did. People keep saying it’s their choice, and it is, but in the same way it’s Reddit’s choice to kill off 3rd party apps.
