• DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml
      311·
      9 months ago

      These libs aren’t very interesting ones though. The “don’t you know Russia is evil dictatorship?” types couldn’t point to the country on a map, and their arguments become circular very quickly. Not really worth arguing with them, or trying to educate them, just pointing and laughing once and then moving on.

      • 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml
        21·
        9 months ago

        Idk, it’s kind of helpful to everyone with a brain because it’s just some dog shit, fact less, regurgitated shit, followed by a half dozen comrades posting sources. Which makes for good reference and lear ing material for everyone else. Half the shit I know is from tankies shitting on libs with massive source dumps. lol

  • knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml
    361·
    9 months ago

    It’s too bad most of the files he took out of the NSA will never see the light of day.

    • Muad'Dibber@lemmygrad.mlOPM
      451·
      9 months ago

      Ah that’s unfortunate, I didn’t realize that. The prism stuff was a real bombshell tho, verified what everybody kind of knew, that the US doesn’t consider any country or people in the world worthy of respect.

      • knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml
        28·
        9 months ago

        Depending on who you believe, the remaining documents aren’t all that interesting, only go into more detail on things we already know, or require much more investigation to flesh out, but I’d rather judge that for myself. The whole thing is really suspicious, what with a Silicon Valley billionaire having bought the documents and eventually cutting access to them. Pierre Omidyar is far too close to the “deep state” to trust this kind of information with.

        This gives a broad overview on the topic.

        https://www.electrospaces.net/2019/04/the-snowden-files-where-are-they-and.html?m=1

      • nac82@lemm.ee
        143·
        9 months ago

        I literally can’t tell which parts of this post are supposed to be ironic mocking lmao.

        America should start respecting other nations the way Russia does. I wouldn’t mind it being called the Gulf of Texas.

        • Muad'Dibber@lemmygrad.mlOPM
          411·
          9 months ago

          One country ran abu ghraib, has > 800 external military bases, spies on the whole world, and has killed millions in its quest for empire. The other is Russia.

          • DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml
            351·
            9 months ago

            Yeah, but have you considered, that America has Free Press? Which means everything they say about Russia is always true? And therefore Russians are evil orcs who have a million billion abu ghraibs, just secret hidden ones?

          • nac82@lemm.ee
            244·
            9 months ago

            Lmao, what a cherry-picked stat. Of course our allies want our military protection. Why would that be a bad thing? How many of your leaders of state have fallen out of windows recently? Why do yall not use handrails yet? Is that a western concept?

            Remind me again, what happened to Navalny? Was that just a little press dispute in Russia?

              • nac82@lemm.ee
                331·
                9 months ago

                Why does this justify executing him violently in prison and arresting people who attended his funeral? Where was the criminal prosecution for these crimes?

                Is that what you call justice? Any form of bad speech is met with execution?

                That is freedom?

                • Adlach@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
                  32·
                  9 months ago

                  You realize that claiming he was ‘violently executed’ is complete supposition on your part, right? There’s no non-circumstantial evidence to support that claim.

              • nac82@lemm.ee
                135·
                9 months ago

                Why such bloodlust for the people that lead you? Lmao

                No wonder you hate all government when you hate your own this much.

                • taiphlosion@lemmygrad.ml
                  291·
                  9 months ago

                  Motherfucker I asked you how this bum ass fuckin country was founded, it was founded on fuckin bloodlust, they operate on fuckin bloodlust, and for some fuckin reason you act like it’s so confusing that they’ve earned this hate. You must be a dipshit

            • Muad'Dibber@lemmygrad.mlOPM
              231·
              9 months ago

              Of course our allies want our military protection. Why would that be a bad thing?

              We’re here for your protection.

              Navalny was a white nationalist / white supremacist, with little to no support (outside of western media).

              • nac82@lemm.ee
                131·
                9 months ago

                How many people attended his funeral? How many are being arrested for attending?

                • EuthanatosMurderhobo@lemmygrad.ml
                  4·
                  8 months ago

                  How many people attended his funeral?

                  For all of his fairy tales about support of the majority ~12k. And that’s fucking Moscow(population ~13million). For comparison ~50k attended funerals of Motorola and Givi in wartime Donetsk (population ~1 million). And those definitely didn’t have brainwashed libs traveling from afar to see the coffin of their dear Alexey Goebbels Jr. either. They sure did have the risk of an ukronazi terror bombing though.

                  How many are being arrested for attending?

                  Well, even your Ministry of Truth says that under a hundred, buddy. Wanna bet they were antagonizing the cops sent to provide security as a standard procedure for large gatherings?

        • taiphlosion@lemmygrad.ml
          321·
          9 months ago

          You don’t seem to have any idea what you’re talking about. I suspect it’s cause you’re another one of those that really think the conflict started in 2022, and have consumed nothing but Western media telling you Russia bad.

          Also lmao at you thinking the US respects the sovereignty of nations…how was this country founded again and how many interventions and coups did it stage…? Hmmm

      • conditional_soup@lemm.ee
        226·
        9 months ago

        Had a Russian exchange student who told me that you would straight up get arrested for holding a blank sign, and rainbow flags are straight up go directly to jail illegal. I mean, I’m sure you don’t get hard prison for it, but it was enough that we joked with him about getting rainbow stuff to send back with him.

        • DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml
          26·
          9 months ago

          Blank signs are a sign of astroturfed (and usually foreign backed) protests. Why would someone protest using a blank sign, unless someone else was going to photoshop a slogan onto it at a later date?

          You guys don’t like it when foreign governments interfere in your elections, and every other country feels the same.

          • chayleaf@lemmy.ml
            2·
            8 months ago

            actually, the only times I know blank sheets were used weren’t for Photoshop (makes no sense to use it for Photoshop tbh imo, I don’t think it was ever the case in Russia at least for any remotely relevant protests), but as an anti-war protest, where explicit anti-war slogans were clearly banned, so some people tried going out with blank sheets because it’s obvious what their message is. There were funnier loopholes, like someone claiming “НЕТ В***Е” (no to w*r) was meant to say “НЕТ ВОБЛЕ” (no to some specific kind of fish) because the protester particularly hates that kind of fish, and it miraculously worked, but she later got a 30k fine after wide media coverage.

            • DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml
              4·
              8 months ago

              It’s usually used for western news coverage of western backed protests, the signs will be blank, and filled in in English to manufacture whatever story western newspapers want to make about one of the “bad guy countries.” (there were quite a few of these people in China during covid and they were widely mocked for their very obviously artificial “white paper movement” over there, but it was treated as a 100% real protest against “authoritarianism” by western newspapers).

              Of course, just because something has been used for astroturfed and manufactured protests doesn’t mean that is the only time it has ever been used. As you listed there, there are attempts to get around anti-protesting legislation (though as you also pointed out, that’s kind of pointless anyway, as people will be punished by the “spirit” of the law rather than the letter of it).

          • conditional_soup@lemm.ee
            230·
            9 months ago

            We need to oppress people because of Photoshop but it’s okay when we do it because the west is evil is a new one for me.

            • DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml
              25·
              9 months ago

              Fuck off with that debatebro bullshit. Please actually read what I said.

              If someone is trying to overthrow a government, especially on behalf of foreign powers, that government will try to stop and arrest them. This isn’t a moral statement, it is a factual one. Russia isn’t fucking Mordor, it’s a real country, and it functions like one, governments will act to preserve their own existence. I don’t know why this is an impossible concept for libs to grasp.

              • taiphlosion@lemmygrad.ml
                24·
                9 months ago

                Because they see reality like fucking Marvel movies. I’d love to believe that it’s propaganda but honestly it’s just because their privilege allows them to be insulated from real world shit.

              • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
                4·
                9 months ago

                Btw. Mordor was not less real than Gondor and Rohan, there are snippets of lore here and there about it having a functioning economy, society and international relations, just in the book we mostly see the volcanic wilderness and hot war-condition military infrastructure in its west part.

  • iagomago@feddit.it
    441·
    9 months ago

    This meme doesn’t work; it only shows that the geopolitical climate generated by contemporary USA is as equally terribile as a dictatorship.